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Created On Saturday August 28, 2010 13:40

gatime

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Saturday August 28, 2010 13:40
hello im new to this forum,my engine has close to million miles,noticed for awhile been having antifreeze coming out of overflow,doesnt run hot, took off the radiator gap crunk it up and fluid was rising and bubbling real bad after start up,and white smoke was pouring out the stacks,i unloaded in ar and just bobtail home to ky,it made it with no problem any ideas

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stump

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Saturday August 28, 2010 14:53
Could be a head gasket or a liner seal. probably time to think about a overhaul or a used engine and swap it out.

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desertstormboy

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Saturday August 28, 2010 15:16
bubbles in the cooling system is most likely going to be a head cracked, liner, or head gasket. million miles, and you got to go deep into it, im like stump,,,if funds are available, build it. ------------------------- IT WENT BING BANG BOOM!

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gatime

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Saturday August 28, 2010 19:33

Thanks for the replies -
Yes I have it set up to go into the shop on monday morning to have a StepUp level three complete overhaul done on it. They are sending the radiator off to have it fixed like new ( just in case something is wrong with it). Going to get them to fix and hoses and belts that may need to be replaced. All this is getting done at Clarke Power Diesel. They are certerfied to work on detroit diesel. The price for the package without the cost on the radiator is 15000 plus tax and 1200 extra if it has to be honed (spelling). I bought this truck 4 1/2 yrs ago and have just under 1 million miles, atleast I hope the spedo is right. I will know when they hook up the ecm on the actual miles. If under 1 million then I will have 2 yr warrenty and if over 1 million than it's just 6 months. Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about Clarke Power Diesel? I've read thru the message boards here and read quite a few of bad experiences with inframes being done and this scares me. When I get the bill I expect it to be just under twenty grand, and I will be paying with cash. That being said I'm not made of money and this just has to be done right because I can't afford to go back and forth with motor problems. That is why I'm getting the complete overhaul and not going with the cheapest just to get me by. If anyone has any suggestions, advice, or suscessful inframe experiences please comment on here. And also does anyone have anything good or bad to say about Clarke Power Diesel? Thanks

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stump

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Saturday August 28, 2010 19:43

My 2 cents. If I was in your shoes and looking at spending that kind of money give Bruce mallison a call at Pittsburg Power.If you are in need of a rebuild and plan on keeping the truck have him build you a engine that will put a smile on your face ,get better milage and perform like you never thought a big truck could do.It's going to cost the same you will end with a truck that runs like a bat out of hell and get better milage. It's worth a call.http://www.pittsburghpower.com/

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gatime

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Saturday August 28, 2010 20:07

Ah thanks but I'm in kentucky and really don't want to take a chance on driving it that far. Plus I need to get back to work asap especially after I pay this bill. Not sure how long it takes to build a engine and have it installed but that sounds like it would take quite some time. I hope to be back on the road next tuesday. Btw how much does it cost on average to build one?

Edited: Saturday August 28, 2010 at 20:10 by gatime

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stump

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Sunday August 29, 2010 05:10
I think the cost is pretty close. and I dont think your down time would be as long as you expect.I think it would at least be worth a phone call then weigh your options.just my 2 cents.I can honestly tell you there is nothing like driving a good performing/ High horsepower truck.Check out their website.http://www.pittsburghpower.com/

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desertstormboy

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Sunday August 29, 2010 06:20

well, my question is, if they are going to rebuild the engine, what difference does it matter how many miles are on it for warranty purposes? i dont understand why they would only give you a 6 month warranty if its over a million miles. they are building the engine, its going to have the same parts in it, so whats the mileage have to do with anything? brings up a red flag for me. if they cant stand behind their work for more than 6 months, i would have to say no. when i build an engine, i tell the customer face to face, "you should go another million miles on this engine". These days and times have shown that the parts quality has diminished quite a bit. i have noticed everyone is going the "cheap" route in parts suppliers and trying to save money themselves. but only a 6 month warranty? thats 50-60 thousand miles...that aint no warranty. just my opinion.

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IT WENT BING BANG BOOM!

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gatime

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Sunday August 29, 2010 08:50

The warrenty is thru deitrot diesel not the shop that is fixing it. As far as how many miles are already on it I understand
that it's stupid that it goes down to 6 months over 1 million miles but that is how they have it set up. I don't think
15,000 at the lowest amount is a "cheap route". If I bought a brand new truck they wouldnt warranty it for a million miles so
why would they on a rebuilt motor? This is what i'm getting. Thanks

STEP 3 Complete Overhaul
Series 60

Complete set of six cylinder kits
Piston domes, skirts, pins and bushings
Piston rings
Cylinder liners
Liner seals
Cam bearing shell set
Cylinder head bolts (38)
Thermostats
Oil pressure regulator
Oil pressure relief valve
Overhaul gasket kit
Lower end bearing kit
Lower main bearings/shells
Upper main bearings/shells
Connecting rod bearings/shells
Thrust washers
Oil pan gasket
Rocker cover gasket
reliabilt® cylinder head assembly
reliabilt® rocker arm kit
Fuel pump
PowerPacks
reliabilt® turbocharger
reliabilt® water pump

No charge 2-year/200,000 mile Power Protection Plan

This is what it states on detroit diesel's warrenty website.

StepUP Overhaul offers four distinct levels of money-saving options for extending the life of your Series 60 engine.
In fact, StepUP provides a complete overhaul solution for every stage of the Series 60 ownership experience.
And don't forget, StepUP Overhaul is backed by legendary Detroit Diesel quality, a Power Protection Plan for as long as
3 years and 300,000 miles and an extensive network of authorized service outlets. With such value built in,
it's no wonder StepUP Overhaul products have found their way into so many Series 60 engines

Step 3: Complete Overhaul
The Step 3 Complete Overhaul extends the Power Protection Plan coverage to 2 year/200,000
miles at no additional charge. The components covered by this extended warranty are the same as
those described under the Super Overhaul warranty information. An important reminder: The POWERPACKS set
of reliabilt® fuel injectors included in a Complete Overhaul are covered by the standard reliabilt® parts
and labor warranty only as they are a normal wear item. As with the Super Overhaul extended service coverage,
the engine must be in the original chassis, be less than 10 years old, and have fewer than 1 million miles
(1.6M kilometers) to qualify for the Power Protection Plan. A $500 cash back option is available for Step 3
customers whose engine does not meet these requirements.

PLUS- The Step 2 Super Overhaul expands the warranty coverage offered under the Step 1 Basic Overhaul by including a 1
year/100,000 mile Power Protection Plan at no additional charge. This extended service coverage not only covers the
components replaced during the overhaul, but also many inspected components already installed on the engine.
They include: Cylinder Block
Crankshaft & Camshaft
Oil Pan & Pump
Vibration Damper
Flywheel & Housing
Thermostat Housing
Oil Cooler Housing
Intake & Exhaust Manifold
Gear Case Cover & Gear Train
Rocker Cover

These components must meet the Detroit Diesel eligibility requirements set forth in the Series 60 Engine Overhaul
Inspection/Certification Form. Additionally, the Turbocharger, Fuel Pump, and Water Pump are covered by the extended
service coverage, if replaced at the time of the overhaul. Also, the engine must be in the original chassis, be less
than 10 years old, and have fewer than 1 million miles (1.6M kilometers) to qualify for the Power Protection Plan. A
$250 cash back option is available for Step 2 customers whose engine does not meet these requirements

Do you see anything not listed that I you would suggest replacing while they have everything out?
Thanks again for any suggestions you have. I will also call the guy about the rebuilt motor. Like you said
it never hurts to check all option. Text

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JoeZ

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Sunday August 29, 2010 10:01

Sure....engine mounts, clutch, all hoses and belts, radiator rebuild, wiring harnass, resurface and balance flywheel, front and rear seals, compressor, air governor, freshen up starter and alternator.....should I need to say more? It all depends on how long you want to go without something else creeping up on you. I'm assuming this will be an out of frame overhaul???? Yes??

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One of the last 2 Stroke mechanics left.
44 years in the business and worked on everything from 53 series to 149 series. Winding it down now...time to move on.

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desertstormboy

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Sunday August 29, 2010 14:33

i wasnt referring to you as a customer being a cheap route, i was referring to the dealerships of buying the cheapest parts on the market and selling them at a high price. joeZ, you hit it once again. why not do a clutch, have the starter, alternator, radiator, all cleaned out and rebuilt as well. its easy for me and you to say that, but its not our wallets thats going to be emptied out. what about the engine oil cooler? Are they going to dyno it after its all finished and give you the printout for your records of all findings? also have listed how the ecm and parameters are set up with the ecm flashed and updated. they should throw in all new coolant filter and fuel filters as well. Maybe drain the fuel tanks of any sediments that are in the bottom. Try and get as much from them as possible free of charge. all they can say is "no"....wiper blades, air filters things of that nature. If you convince them you will be a returning customer and faithful to your word, im sure they will work with you. getting a new turbo, make them change the flexpipe as well (on them of course).

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IT WENT BING BANG BOOM!

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JoeZ

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Sunday August 29, 2010 17:40

What I suggested shouldn't be much over $1,900. A blown hose could be an overheat invitation and void any warranty. A week down time would cost more than the $1,900 plus the bill to replace a clutch afterward would be over $1,100 by itself. Plus maybe a tow job on top of it....
The engine will be apart anyway and the radiator should be off the truck so there shouldn't be added labor. To lock in the job, they should be willing to give a little on prices. Generous prices in my opinion......New Spicer 2 inch Clutch $450 BW rebuilt Air compressor $350 New Air governor $25 Engine mounts $175 Radiator repair $200 Hoses and belts $250 Flywheel machine work $150 Freshen up the Alternator and starter $300. The remaining things other than the wiring harnass should be part of the original job. I'm going by local prices here in Florida, but it shouldn't vary much.....my cost would be less so I'm giving the over the counter prices to be fair.

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One of the last 2 Stroke mechanics left.
44 years in the business and worked on everything from 53 series to 149 series. Winding it down now...time to move on.

Edited: Sunday August 29, 2010 at 17:45 by JoeZ

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ponway

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Sunday August 29, 2010 20:25

Well, I like Stump"s idea. But another thought, given the money you are prepared to spend, what about going with a Reliabilt engine exchange? How much is that compared to an extensive overhaul? Warranty? Downtime? My last overhaul was a long story and given the money and downtime involved, I still wonder if a Reliabilt engine might have been a better route. Just my 2 cents.

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Wayne Pontius

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gatime

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Sunday August 29, 2010 20:36
what's the price for that u think 25k

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ponway

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Monday August 30, 2010 23:30

Well, as I remember, about 10 years ago, Clarke Detroit in Ft Wayne, IN told me it would have been about $15,000 for a Reliabilt engine, and about $25,000 for a new one. Don't know if that would have been labor included also. Someone in Tampa has been trying to sell a brand new 12.7 EGR engine on ebay for quite a while for just under $18,000, item #360206964774, you can find it in the "completed items" at the moment. Maybe Gonefishen will give you some advice.

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Wayne Pontius

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gatime

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Wednesday September 01, 2010 15:00
i decided to go with reliabilt engine upgrade guy says everthing is new execpt statrter alternator fuel pump ac compressor

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desertstormboy

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Wednesday September 01, 2010 15:31
are you gonna just swap the alternator and things over to the new engine? what about new clutch? ------------------------- IT WENT BING BANG BOOM!

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gatime

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Wednesday September 01, 2010 16:11
the new clutch i bought last year has less than 100k it should be okay,yes with alt and that all that stuff has less than 300k its all been replace,this was my best option considering i needed new bull gear counterbores and cam its only gonna cost about 4 k more just to go with another engine,

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