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SEREIS 60 BUILD. GLIDERS @ 150,000miles READY TO UPGRADE


Created On Tuesday January 19, 2016 10:11 Diesel Talk
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CROSSTIE79
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Fellas, I am a new member to the site, but I have been reading threads here for months as I waited for the glider kit trucks I bought to "break in" their 2000 model Series 60 motors. The trucks are '14 Pete 379 from Fitzgerald and have 13 speed trans and 3.73 rears (I'm already regretting not getting 3.90). Fitzgerald claims to tune their motors to 500hp, but I find it very hard to believe. Having spoken with guys at Pittsburg Power, I've been informed that Fitz' program is truly 500hp, just "a weak 500" according to them. I cant bring myself to install a programmer that would allow the operator unlimited control over the power setting. The goal I intend to achieve is to set up these trucks to haul #90000 (recently made legal) in the rolling Appalachian Mountains without being embarrassed by J.B. Hunt (occurring weekly). I am not trying to be "King of the Hill", nor am I interested in going big cam. In short, I'm looking for the "working man's" tune that won't destroy my driveline.

These trucks are equipped with Borg 171702 turbo, and R23555915 injectors. FASS fuel systems are ordered and scheduled for installation by the end of the month. I have read some of Loweredd Grampa's comments and they mentioned piston cooler holes in the block. I can't imagine utilizing those cooler holes could produce any undesirable effects, and I plan to use them if they are in these blocks. My local mechanic suggested sending my ECMs to a programmer to have them tuned to Marine setting...I again feel unsure of diving into the unknown and that's why I'm here.

Please help steer me in the direction of "better than" respectable power and fuel mileage. I'm going into this project with open ears and a blank slate, I look forward to hearing from you all.

Crosstie79

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Note Wednesday January 20, 2016 05:46 View thread in raw text format
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379's!!!! How many trucks did you buy?
Well first off the piston oiler holes are inside the block . depending on serisl nunber is whether they are there ir not,I think blocks produced mid 98 up have them. The premium engines utilized them. I dont see you tearing down new engines to even look.
I wouldn't even be considering horsepower, uel milage is what you want.
Thrse fitz gliders Not 379's , from 2 people I personally know say they are 8mpg. Turn em up Burn em up, Turn it up and they are going to overheat them. Ecm program will help with the power but with drivers in these trucks it wouldn't even be a consideration. They don't give a shit what happens to it and when it breaks your going to pay the tow and the bill!! (


Edited: Wednesday January 20, 2016 at 06:06 by stump
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Note Wednesday January 20, 2016 09:25 View thread in raw text format
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Stump,

I'm glad I got your attention and response, having read tons of conversations on this site, I respect your opinion. I bought 2 Fitz 379's. They are beautiful.......but wont pull a hair out of a cats ass. It is true, 7-8 mpg is realistic with those trucks pulling flatbeds or vans not loaded max. My average mpg is hanging around 4.6 pulling the weight we haul. Virginia recently passed a Forestry overweight permit allowing us to legally load to #90000. Previously, at #80000, the fuel mileage was consistently 5.1. We pull only closed top and open top chipper vans, and try to maintain an average of 30 tons net payload. We run all our products from the southside piedmont area West into the Mountains, and come back down empty. I have a pretty unique situation with the guys driving these trucks because they've worked with me for 10 years and more and both of them are like family to me. I allow them to work essentially work for themselves, treat the truck as it were their own and maintain it as such. I am truly blessed to have great help, and have confidence in them to care for my equipment better than I might myself.

As far as the piston oiler holes, I read in a previous conversation between Loweredd and Grampa that the holes are accessable by simply pulling the oil pan and removing the plugs. I am not sure if anything else is required to take advantage of the benefit of using them, but if it is that simple, it seems like a no-brainer to me. Being a sawmill man, and not truly a trucker nor engine mechanic, I'm not sure what else may be involved in using those oiler holes. But I cant imagine any circumstance they would not benefit the motor.

I operate 4 trucks total, and roughly 40 trailers. A trailer heavy ratio, I know, but it boils down to turn around times for delivery, return, drop and hook, and do it again. The fact that the turn around times are longer due to the trucks lack of power, the drivers get the short end of the stick and work longer days to make the same money. My men are paid by the load. It may not seem like that big a deal, but these guys have 159K and 168K on trucks I bought in October 2015. They ride.

The trucks they were previously driving were CornPicker 9900's with 6nz. Bully Dog and FASS and 3.90 rears on 13 speed trans had them crowing from the top of the roost pole at the top of the mountain. Both of those Cats had full inframes at least once over their 1.6 million mile lives, and I needed to replace them with new equipment because they were beginning to nickel and dime me. I was NOT interested in new motors DEF, and gliders made the most sense to for me. I still have a 2000 FLD120 with a 12.7 that's closing in on 2 million miles and I've done little more to the motor than change the oil and filters. A few boots here and there and radiator work sure, but the motor is virtually untouched. It manages 6 miles to the gallon and honestly scalds the new gliders up the hills with a 9 speed and 3.73.

I am not trying to break the bank, or build a King of the Hill truck in these gliders. I am trying to get them as powerful and reliable as my past experiences with Detroit. And get the guys home a little quicker too.

Any advice you have is greatly appreciated.

Crosstie79

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*Correction* Bought trucks in October 2014.

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*SECOND CORRECTION* The Fitz gliders have 3.55 rears...smh

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Shoot me an email . stumpman1@hotmail.com
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For what it's worth, my replacement block had the piston cooler holes in it but I was unable to use them. The cylinder kits I was using, 23532555, the skirts wouldn't clear the nozzles.
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Note Monday February 08, 2016 21:54 View thread in raw text format
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a good performance program should cure the problem give me a call 315-534-2540 good luck grampa
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I have a fits glider 6.6 is the best i can do,running empty 7.0 freightliner coronado

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MY 3 friends have the same 6.6 7.0 if u haul heavey 6.0

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