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QUESTION GRAMPA?

Created On Saturday September 17, 2011 05:44

PETEROD

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Joined: Mar 2008

Saturday September 17, 2011 05:44

Im getttin started on my 12.7 ddecIII , ive got the part numbers from you and they are these 23533204 cyl kits, r23525526 cam, and r5237014 inj Would you buy from detroit or after market? ive looked at some PAI kits, i know its a persons preference on which to use , just askin. hope i dont have to pay core charges. have you found a good turbo yet? this engine will be out of the truck, just because the rear housing is leaking, i dont think ill use the detroit sealer they use, cause it leaks on all my trucks, any idea what the inj height is for that cam? when i asked dd about that cam they couldnt find it yet , oh yeh i got to get the ecm worked on to , ill send it off while im buildin the hog, i should be alright with out enlarging the cam bolt hole on this one, right ? its in a97 but it is a dd reman dated 2002. thanks for all, have a good day, oh yeh any help is always appeciated.

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grampa

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Saturday September 24, 2011 08:10

i would think this engine already has the big cam bolt..the cam is just a 700 hp 12.7 marine cam,sometimes out of stock have to order..inj. height 81mm.intake .010,exhaust .028..i have had good luck with both DD parts and federal mogal-FP for diesel...the 4100 garrett works well but prefer the B-W 177287 with modifed cold side housing,spools quicker,10-15 lbs more boost,and up .2 mpg.only had it for a couple of months but very pleased at this point...good luck hope i could help..

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PETEROD

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Joined: Mar 2008

Sunday September 25, 2011 05:16

What kind of modifying of the cold side is there? hope to buy these parts without the core charges. does this combination make any kind of fuel mileage? i know , if u want to play u got to pay somewhere, right? ive heard you say about rpm getting to 2800, wow thats tight, i would think the life of the beast would be shortend quite a bit , is this combo a good everyday work combo for a o/o? thanks for any help, have a good day

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grampa

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Sunday September 25, 2011 07:09

the turbo is new no core needed..B-W changes the discharge flange so the only thing different is the oil outlet tube bolts are 3/8 not 5/16 you have to drill the flange..if you have waste gated turbo now this turbo will be shorter on exhaust flange end -about 2 inches...also air intake is 5 1/2 inches...erich at SS60PD has this turbo avalible..every time you up HP you give up some life..ran mine at 1000 HP to ground and 1500HP on special occasions for 580000 miles before teardown for counterbore coolant leak..raised liner protrusion to .006 no more issues yet...just because engine can make this HP doesnt mean you run all day like this ..this is why YOU control the throttle pedal...2800 rpm willnot hurt anything..have run mine 4000 on many occasions for short times when racing..mileage directly connected to right FOOT..use 1000 horses feed 1000 horses...use 500 horses feed 500 horses..its all up to you..

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grampa

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Sunday September 25, 2011 07:32

long winded answer sorry,,,i average 5.2 mpg running southern tier NY to I90 area back roads stop, go,thru little towns so on...takes 1 3/4 hrs to go 70 miles one way,,oh yeah pulling a dump bucket grossing 102000 to 110000 yeah NY has overweight permits lucky us...on big road 80000 with bucket 6 mpg...on big road flatbed or dry van 6.8 mpg...very seldom over 65 mph..depends on headwinds and traffic mostly..with more HP your driving habits have to change you will learn to roll into throttle not slam it down..very seldom need more than 1/2 throttle in low side of tranny,,or high side unless running real heavy..mpg is directly connected to driving habits...do you need to drag race off every stop lite just because you can..or can you show some responsibility and do it only when needed..good luck.. hope i could help ..

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littlejohn

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Joined: Feb 2011

Sunday September 25, 2011 10:05
ok grampa i have a question for u, which do u think would do an o/o on a buget better, a reprogramed ecm from Erich or a bully-pup, cause a little undecided? This on a ddec 3.

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PETEROD

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Joined: Mar 2008

Sunday September 25, 2011 18:00

thanks GRAMPA!! all this advice helps me , im not an average o/o i guess, ive bilt gas race engines ,but never a diesel , or one that had to get me aliving, or try to anyway, with those part numbers i got , what kind of horse am i lookin at? and what kind of program needs to be in my ecm, im sure the guy who programs it tell me a round about figure. is there a certain timing on the cam gear? i havent read all the book yet on that part. thanks for all the advice,, id love to out pull a kitty cat real soon, keep it green oh yeh, do u think my tranny will handle the torque it a rtlo 16713a? i have a rtlo18918 to go in it also, just waitin on the dough.

Edited: Sunday September 25, 2011 at 18:04 by PETEROD

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grampa

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Saturday October 01, 2011 06:24
littlejohn hard to say have never tried bullydog,dont know anyone who has..i can tell you erich can custom program for your needs,not just take what i give you...also gives you a 30 day money back guarantee..you dont like it send it back,reinstall your original program get your money back..

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littlejohn

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Thursday October 06, 2011 06:33
ok i get all that , but what if u install erich program and u get a check eng light and code how do u resolve that since i do not have accese to a lap top or a prolink? and thanks for your in put

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stump

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Thursday October 06, 2011 12:01

<< ok i get all that , but what if u install erich program and u get a check eng light and code how do u resolve that since i do not have accese to a lap top or a prolink? and thanks for your in put >>

. The only code you might get would many a high temp light when on a hard pull due to water temp getting up.that is just temperary as the light will go out when temp decreases.A code will be stored in the ecmmemory recording the event. other than that on occasion there shouldn't be any.

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ponway

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Joined: Nov 2009

Thursday October 06, 2011 14:35
I can say after having Erich's programing done, I have no flashing CEL/SEL lights, strange computer problems or glitches or codes. Just pure driving enjoyment! Hope this helps. ------------------------- Wayne Pontius

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3rdGenDriver

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Joined: Aug 2011

Sunday October 09, 2011 04:59

Grampa, I've gotta 05 ddec v, s60, 14L with 800k+ miles, RTLO 16813 rated to 1850 ft lbs., with 3.70's. I usually gross 65-75k with a lowboy. Still a very solid engine. What parts combo would u suggest? Turbo, injectors, intake, exhaust manifold, cam? I'm an O/O and I work all 48, so I need a workable power range not a monster like u got! I'm headed to DD in a week to have a dyno run, overhead, and injectors checked, but if I have to change my injectors, atleast 1 that I know of, Id like to go ahead and start putting a solid combo together every chance I get. Thank you for your time.

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South Cakallaky

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ksmith

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Joined: Mar 2023

Saturday March 18, 2023 08:59

ive got a 14l hk egr deleted 78/132 cat style fulltilt manifold turbo 1130 cam had 7821 cam advanced by Troy Perkins his tune ran like raped ape but had a rattle due to timing being advanced thought i had a intake valve not seated so i pulled head and took it to machine shop no problem found at this time i noticed thermal coating burnt off all pistons. truck has always made 45 to 50 plus psi manifold pressure called leon he said probably a timing issue sent ecm to him for a tune he also stated 7821 inj was smaller than 5915 adviced to put 5915 in at this time and he done tune and bought his version of 171702 turbo with 11 blade wheel truck has never ran good since. not saying anything about Leons work ive had it tuned by 3 other guys still its a slug high manifold psi low power poor fuel economy.
last gentleman said use 3558 cam and 7014 injectors or bigger im looking for 750hp or so on the ground and fuel economy
Is the cam timing trick good ?? this is also a compact gear train engine ddec 4
previous set up:
78/132 cat style turbo
7821 injectors
1130 cam offset keyway advanced one tooth (Troy Perkins) trick ??
full tilt manifold
8"pipes

my current setup:
80/145 turbo cat 6" inlet
5915 injectors
1130 cam stock timing
full tilt manifold
8' pipes

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ksmith

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Joined: Mar 2023

Sunday September 29, 2024 19:48
can i get your number

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